The amount of times I’ve also seen the word “Chinese guy”…do y’all even know the difference between the 3? It’s so cringe when people refer to any asian as “Chinese” because of their American ignorance. We really need to do better.

Every single thread I’ve read is based on race issues. Let that sink in. No one has mentioned the other uses filters had. Like singling out certain body types you’re not attracted too, height etc. It’s just “I want it back so I can find my exotic king 😭”. Sucks it up and keep scrolling.

Yeah I did hijacked the thread , so what... It's not like you were gonna achieve anything

aww.. ..eventide, you're so cute.
puffing up yer little chest on here, talking like you're the grindr uservoice forum enforcer.

i wonder..
..based on what qualifications, exactly, do you presume your shitty opinions are worth more than my well-thought out statements?
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though, yeah.
yeah, you're right, eventide.

"we" do need a filter.
a filter to help "us" be rid of absolute, wastes of space, wastes of breath, wastes of life trash like yourself.

🥰

[strike]i presume you're white, or someone non-white who fancies trying to align himself with the (problematic) Kolonizing Klan of the world, right?
indeed.
and here you are in 2022, arguing with a black man and a latin man about race matters.[/strike]

and here you are in 2022: a white man arguing with a black man and a latin man about how we're supposed to handle race matters.

classic.

i probably shouldn't mention this here but, something else i've learned some time ago about you and your ilk, is whenever you are asked it directly, you never will openly respond with "No I am not prejudiced nor racist against anyone" or "Yes I am racist and prejudiced and proud of it — and these are the fuckers who I detest because of their race."

of course, i don't expect any better from your ad hominem-ing ass eventide.

but, ya know?
go ahead.
please do share with "us," what is it you know about the subject of prejudice, discrimination, bias, oppression, racism, etc. — which joshua and i don't?

come.

is this a direct question you feel up for answering directly, or are you just gonna ad-hominem yourself away from that too?

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juan?

are you directing that critique towards steve and eventide (and ES, apparently?)..
..or did you direct that critique towards joshua and i?

for the record, i'm not "forcing" the colour discriminators to find sexual attraction for anyone — i'm only "forcing" them to acknowledge the reasoning behind their prejudice and how, on the whole, discrimination solely because of someone's skin colour, nationality, or bloodline is pretty dumb and senseless

there is no equating a MSM's espousing a categorical "no indians" or "no blacks" or "no arabs" (and so on) to a MSM's espousing a categorical "no women"

i know for a fact i was BORN with almost zero natural attraction to the female gender — there was no one in my household grooming me to not desire women, NOR was anyone in my household grooming me to want a hard dick in my mouth

me lusting for men and not lusting for women is what you very much-can consider a "biological imperative" over which i had no control; NOR had i had this disposition taught me by anyone.

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what *is* so "different" about me, i wonder?
why don't i go around saying "no whites" or "no asians" or "no blacks" or "no latinos" (etc.)?

how is it possible, i find all nationalities / bloodlines equally appealing?

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on second thought.
nah.

never mind all that.
i know i'm only preaching to the choir, posing that kinda rhetorical.

eventide / steve, and whoever else: i know you're just gonna come back with further garbage.
further garbage, that will not address why you NEED to filter out by race.

so please don't bother.

be happy you and i both agree you discriminators SHOULD have your race filter restored.

oh.
by the way.
do you have a problem with me calling you "discriminators"?
but, is that not what you are?
i can readily tell you i sexually-exclude 99.01 - 99.98% of all transsexual / transgender women — MtFs.
almost all MtFs, i never shall willingly go to bed with.

but, you observe how easy that was for me?
i owned up to an entire group i sexually preclude. (i can even explain for you why i preclude MtFs, if you're curious.).
there are other attributes people might have —some attributes of which, they have no immediate control over— which would cause me to "automatically" preclude them from my attraction pool; though for the sake of "staying on topic" eventide i won't mention them here.

😂

No need to look for homophobia in straight people, homophobia at is greatest comes from gay people that refuse to accept other gays people's behaviour at the same time that they mandate others to respect theirs. Nobody was born obliged to like anyone. Let people go freely to what people like, why are you acting like the traditional fanatic churches forcing others to see and do what you considere morally correct, which usually is not.

Bruh clearly you need therapy more than I do.

You get triggered so easily. Your hate just bounces off me. seems like you so desperately need this filter or maybe you want this option so other can filter you out. Well good luck getting it by attacking people in this thread.

joshua david serrao,

I tried to be nice, but now I am tired of your shit. I earned a PhD in a field that required me to learn the details of the subject, and I tried to leave those details out and present you with the gist. But, rather than take that and present a rational rebuttal, you are calling people racist whom you've never met, and it seems like you clearly don't have the maturity to learn what the meaning of the word is? In this entire discussion you have not presented a logical argument and sometimes are even near completely incoherent. You are arguing purely out of emotional anger and resentment. Clearly, at this point you are just arguing to make yourself feel better, or you just cannot grasp that people wanted to have a rational discussion.

I suggested numerous times that you provide a coherent argument to this topic in order to have a rational discussion, but you're just a miserable individual who cannot love himself, and you apparently need to take that anger and direct it to the entire gay community. I don't know what you stand to accomplish with your crap, except to bring others to your misery. So, as far as I'm concerned, you can fuck off with your bullshit; I'd suggest you seek therapy. DELETE the app, as you, yourself, suggested the rest of us do, and live alone with your miserable self if it angers you so much; perhaps meet guys at a bar or sport club, or whatever. In any case, I am no longer participating in the discussion with you. You and I have turned it into a shit show. I hope you can find some semblance of joy in your life, and I hope you are at least educated in your professional field.

Be sure to include lots of ethnicities.

@Anonymous ( April 28, 2022 14:48 )

I appreciate your response, in which you were being reasonable and respectful with me.

Regarding the policing of preferences (a word which, in this context, I'd almost always place within quotation marks) — in spite of my strong words thus far, I'll reäffirm that I am *quite* 'in favour' of an in-app ethnicity filter, for the racists / prejudiced fellows to employ.

Let it be known: I *had* been (and am presently) working on another response for the 2 - 3 individuals who, thus far, have seen fit to ad hominem / logical-fallacy me here — in this response, I happen to detail, further, how I believe the restored race filter should work.
No need to worry.. ..My proposed caveats, at their worst, affect neither the discriminator / discriminatee. If anything, the discriminators should be tickled pink.

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Addressing this to the general forum / my current set of detractors:

Years ago, I'd arrived to the conclusion, I live in a world with many humans who just can't be reasoned with. Humans who, functionally, are "lost causes," who are better off disposed of than to be allowed to continue on, wreaking havoc and causing other innocent humans undue misery.

• If you are a *rump supporter / sympathizer
• If you believe racism / oppression is not an issue
• If you're a "pick yourself up by the bootstrap" espouser
• If you believe in "rules for thee, but not for me,"

technically, I've already written you off.
I know I won't be changing your mind, much in the same way you may be assured you will never change my mind.

And supposing you did, somehow, manage that, I'd be a fool to believe you'd embrace me unconditionally: because, long before I came out swinging on this forum, you already decided you didn't "like my kind." Because of my skin.

I'm still amazed you don't come out and say "I don't like the black race." Fucked up as that is, I wouldn't advocate for your being banned / banished off here for making that kind of declaration, of itself.
It's when you start bringing in the extra shit that I have the problem.

joshua david serrao,

Look, you can hate the game all you want. I've hated it also. Grindr ISN'T changing the game. That's an insult to the permanence of the game (i.e., evolution). Men want to spread their genetic material to as many SUITABLE mates as possible; guess what, that's what happens in the natural world for many species. It's hard to overcome hundreds of thousands of years of that built-in strategy, a consequence of evolution..

You aren't going to convince millions of gays to delete Grindr, and you're not going to convince them to refrain from instant gratification. And Grindr isn't going to make a racist not racist. Thinking that it can is an insult to the problem of racism. Sexual attraction to certain people isn't racism; it's a combination of things, including evolving to prevent inbreeding, say, and evolution to find a mate suitable for the climate your ancestors evolved in: having dark skin in a climate that's cold and low-light isn't good for survival, having white skin in a hot, high-light climate also tended to not go well. So, you're programmed, by evolution, to disregard them as suitable mates. OFC, there are exceptions. For example, when the inbreeding defense overcomes the desire for a suitable mate who is adapted to the climate your ancestors evolved in. It's a complicated play of many factors, some of which simply cannot be changed. And the whole being gay is also thought to be an evolutionary adaptation to allow a species to not completely devolve when there are no suitable female mates: males tend to fight, having some gays reduces that aggression to other males so that they don't kill each other off. Thinking that an APP can change the hundreds of thousands of years of complicated sexual evolution is pure HUBRIS of mankind.

However, that is NOT the discussion for THIS SUBTOPIC. Instead of hijacking the discussion, it would have been MUCH more efficient to discuss this topic (WHETHER THE ETHNICITY FILTER SHOULD BE REINSTATED) here, and your other gripes under their OWN subtopic, using FOCUSED arguments for that topic.

While you didn't get my point atleast you proved me right. Thanks. Cheers.

Not expecting anything more than sex that's true . But won't put up with crap either . I watched heart stopper on Netflix recently and there is the part where the dude feels like it's his fault in everything by his mere presence , so mirrored my experience.

joshua david serrao,

Grindr is for sex. That is obvious. If you want to change the entire gay community, it ain't happening through an APP. And no, we aren't going to change. Not tomorrow, not 10 years from now.

Pretty obvious as some have mentioned this app exist to make money not to support the LGBTQ+ community , after all capitalism. no point in all this discussion both sides have good points of argument but one cannot truly know each and every person's personal intention . We are not gonna solve racism in a day period , infact I don't even think of hating people who are racist it's not their choice thier upbringing was like that and it's not easy to mold adult minds. This thread is a moot discussion .

Secondly the issues we are raising discussing here should be talked about only after we sort out our own self issues and that was the rant all about to the guy who didn't get my point, make yourself the best version you perceive and remove all your biases etc in the end looking back you are not gonna regret your life choices to people who hold onto their narrow mindset will be on this app forever.

Ps nothing wrong in being a slut, just don't be cringe about it by fetishizing dick .

Some of you sound really angry, on either side. People are not going to respect your opinion if you sound angry and make wild, rambling, accusations. I'd suggest just stay calm and present your case and support it with rational arguments. We are in a subtopic concerning the ethnicity filter. It would be more effective if you keep to this topic and argue for or against. That's it, not how many guys you've had, not that everyone on grindr is a slut, not that everyone is a flake, not that your race is being crapped on. Grindr can't change that. Focus on what the company can change in the app, and why you think a change should be made, and you're more likely to get a result. But maybe not the one you want.

joshua david serrao,

It'll help, in the future, if you provide coherent comments. You simply sound unhinged, and I don't know too many people who would take that seriously. It'll be more effective if you focus on the subtopic you are replying to: the ethnicity filter. And why you think it should or should not be returned.

Everyone of Grindr is a f**king hypocrite. Everyone is a flake , everyone pretends like the world revolves around them. it's the 21st century and we have folks with blank profiles. Why do we have expiry photo and profile viewed options it's such a bad feature. There are profiles which literally will mention every other race except one, why not just come out as say I'm a racist. Then we have profile which say versatile is not a position it's a fucking compromise and the you look at the dudes profile and you can tell why, some people don't even know what their privilege is. And then we have pornstars who can't even stand for representing their own race. Another category is folks who will spread their legs for anyone only at 3 am in the morning like as if that's when they get cured of their racism and bigotry. Guys who can't even have balls to have honest conversations but use the block feature as if they just had to encounter scum . met too many folks can tell everyone has skeletons in their closet no one on Grindr is a saint. Ps I include myself in this. Grindr features are more culturally harmfully and have created us as a group of really bad folks. I mean media presents us as such gods wonderful children but really as a member of this community I can say for certain we are worse than our straight friends. And grindr has just become an enabler for these traits. Get over yourselves guys .

Have you guys considered the option where there is no option to mention ones race. Why even have that. So many profile either eliminate it or lie or put under category mixed or others . I mean let's not make it a discussion even why talk about this filter if there is no information key. It will make us all one single race. Ofcourse won't solve some folks issues but hey at the end of the day I think you cannot expect another person to respect you when your own race doesn't accept you. Think about that.

@Beeswax business People like you always make me laugh. You start out immediately like "100%" this or that. You try to take everything to extreme limits to try and create a point. Who at any point said the filter doesn't get used for racist purposes? Nobody ever made that claim, but by not having it does that cause that same person to suddenly not be racist? Not at all.. the only thing it does is force them to see you, who they don't want to see. That's like saying if you go to look at gay porn you're forced to see straight porn. Seeing women's vaginas everywhere when you have absolutely no want to see it. Does that suddenly make you attracted to women? Not at all.. if anything, it'll make you even more disgusted by it.

You also try to act like the majority of people that utilize an ethnicity filter do it for racist purposes. You also even try to say how if someone excludes everyone but their race suddenly that's acceptable?? What exactly is your definition of racist? Because it definitely doesn't fit the actual definition. Again, this is something people like you constantly do though. You're against it, but for it, but against it, and you keep flipping between them as you deem fit.

As for your bit about saying we exclude because of prejudices, who again at any point ever said or even barely mentioned that? I'm not sexually attracted to black guys. Does that suddenly mean I'm racist against them? Not at all. I can talk to them, I can interact with them, I can be around them, etc. I have quite a few as friends as well. The same thing applies again to women. Just because I'm gay, does that mean I'm sexist and can't be around women? Not at all.

Like I said, you can keep trying to take things to extremes to win your idiotic arguments but it'll never work. You sound like an idiotic child trying to force your viewpoint on everyone else. If you want to sleep with anything that moves, go right ahead. That doesn't mean suddenly everyone has to be that way and have no standards, type, etc.

Oh and your part about saying "you blacks" are being "shat on" right now.. stop lying to yourself. Stop trying to use that as a weapon against everyone. THAT is why racism exists, because people like you keep using it as weapons to get what you want. Do you know how many black people I see like you that use racism daily? They go into a store, they don't get their way, they immediately go "It's because I'm black, isn't it?!" creating racism where it didn't exist whatsoever just so they'll get given their way. That's the ONLY reason you even bothered to bring up your race. The hilarious thing here is it's really the white men lately that get "shat on." People constantly now are making fun of us and then trying to be like "SEE! HOW'S IT FEEL?!" Like they can justify being racist, but if we do anything suddenly it's extremely wrong.

You even try to add at the end that ONLY white people can be racist.. which is absolutely hilarious that you'd even show off your idiocy to that level. That bit you mention about not being given any part in society? Yeah that's meant for you. We don't have any need or room for people as idiotic as you.

This thread is nonsense. This app is nonsense. Delete the app. It’s useless without the filters. No need to discuss any further. I don’t need some millennial to tell me I am racist cause I get to choose who I am attracted. I don’t need to be told what’s normal by a bunch of kids who can’t function without their phones. Enough. Really just find yourselves another hobby stop telling everyone what to think and do and deal with all the trauma you are so proud of flaunting everywhere else first.

@beeswax business

Could sexual attraction be based on prejudice and/or racism? Sure it can and is likely due in part to long-term systemic issues, but also due to male sexuality in that we need to be physically attracted to our partners for any kind of healthy sex/relationship to work. Does removing an ethnicity filter on a hookup app solve that problem? Not in any meaningful way. It just adds frustration, creates resentment and wastes everyone's time. Besides, this is not the place to fight the systemic battle, as it comes across as POLICING PEOPLE'S BEDROOM/DATING ACTIVITIES which creates a slippery slope back to eras (at least in the US, some still apply in other countries) with laws that ban homosexuality, interracial marriage, etc.